A Call for a rethink on animal ting point locations.


Consider first  an animal with a two toed hoof such as cow or goat. Where do we put the ting points.? The hoof is balanced inside and outside not front and back.(lateral and medial)

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In 1974 when the present commonly used format for t ting points was adopted by the IVAS there was very little knowledge of acupuncture on the West and no understanding whatsoever of Yin/Yang. It was a vague theory then and for most veterinaraians even now remains a vague theory. Something Oriental and not scientific.

The Transpositional System.

They worked out their naming of the Ting points by assuming ( and this  is a big assumption) a transposition could occur between humans and animals  especially horses. They used comparative anatomy, which indicates that the one digit of the horse corresponds to the third or middle digit on the human.. So the Triple heater point is in the middle front and others around it. This will work in practice on horses because of the power of the ting points to cover a broad area.  But its not Yin/Yang correct. In some theories the hand was 'scrunched' up to look like a hoof.

Yin and Yang
My background is from Acupuncture. I completed my acupuncture degree in 1980. I also worked out a transpositional system but based on Yin and Yang..
Yang is the protective energy and external and Yin is the nourishing energy and internal.
On the foreleg the outside(lateral) is the protective part not the front.  And in the hind leg there is no need for protection on the fore part of the leg where the anatomical transpositional system puts it.

So the original assumption has to be modified.

Unfortunately the veterinary anatomical transpositional system will persist. It reminds me of the fact that Native Americans are still called Indians because when Columbus first found them he thought he was in India. No-one questions it anymore . But its obviously incorrect.

 Yang at back  - Yin at front
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Amended ting points  - Horse

amended ting points - dog

First aid for laminitis.

equine acupuncture for laminitis.first aid.
Acupuncture first aid method for laminitis
Acupuncture is excellent. A first aid method derived from it would be to stab shallow a 25 gauge hypodermic needle into front of hoof just above coronet band to let blood come out as much as possible.
Or you can get a vet out who does acupuncture who will do the same for $150.
Just the same the actual cause of the laminitis should be addressed whatever it may be.

Splint examples; treatment with acupuncture

Case example ; Splint ( bone spur); 

Chaos 8 year old eventing horse has had this bone spur since age 1 the photos are dated 5 weeks of treatments. Shrinking the area with each treatment, lasting about 5 to 7 days. The spur was about the size of a walnut and now it is the size of a raisin.

 more on Splints from Amanda ONiell; For a new forming splint Bandage 24hr x month. Ice under bandage 3x a day for 3-5 days. Then keep bandaged 24/7 for a month( compression). This helps to keep the splint bone stable, in turn helps it recover. ( always bandage from the chest side of the leg out wards. If you don't it will injure the tendons by twisting them the wrong way. Hires needs to be in a small space as excess running doesn't help. I needled Baihui and ting points in line with the lump. Lu6 ( to help with foreleg pain)Lu9( to help resolve Phlegm) Lu11.

Anatomy, fascia, chi, and the Tao , in Equine Acupuncture.

Anatomy, fascia, chi, and the Tao , in Equine Acupuncture.

I have a degree in Science.  Western Science is still trying to catch up with what the Ancients knew, and brought down to us via Acupuncture. 

Consider a recently dead horse. If you do the anatomy you will find all the parts there including the fascia. The acupuncture point LOCATIONS are still there. But there are no acupuncture points. You cannot feel them. You cannot do acupuncture on a dead horse. There is no chi. There is fascia but no chi, no life-force.

In the dead body there are no holes where the acupuncture needle could go. Actually you can put an acupuncture  needle into any part of it, it is just meat. But there will be no acupuncture effect. To be doing acupuncture and thinking in terms of a dead body is not so good. A living body is full of life, every single atom is alive, full of chi. This is very very different to a dead body.

To get an idea of what is chi, when you put your hands out and apart ,you can feel ( or learn to feel) an energy running between them, and you can learn to strengthen or weaken this energy, and direct it., It would be silly to say, ‘the fascia in my hands are communicating.’ It is being done with consciousness, and intention directed through the hands.

This is the mistake that modern Western acupuncture makes. They want it to be scientific and , this means complicated. So they have invented the fascia theory of how acupuncture might work.

When you touch someone you can touch them with love, or you can touch them as if they are dead. Do they respond to the love as if they are dead.? No, they feel the intention.

The modern theory posits the fascia network with chains of fascia , or anatomy trains but when you look at it you see it is just the tendino muscle meridians, the energy fields of the muscles and tendons associated with the channels. This has been known about for ages in acupuncture theory. It may be new to Western thoughts who have only heard about the main channels, but I assure you it is not new. It has been known about.

Some people want a scientific and logical explanation for acupuncture so they can accept it. But this is like asking for a scientific and logical explanation for Nature. Nature is there. Enjoy it. Take part in it. Sow the seeds, pull the weeds, get into the rhythms.

All of Nature is connected. There is a web that connects us all. Within us this web also exists. It interconnects all the points but it is not physical. In some explanations it is called etheric. It is like an ether. It is a field in which consciousness can create via intention,if you are connected into it. In 1980 came out the book , the Web that has no Weaver. It was a classic study for all acupuncture students at that time. All the different energy channels and fields are like this. But they are not in a dead body. They are part of the livingness.

By the way, you might think that a body is solid beacuse’ meat’ is solid and a skeleton is solid. But in the living energized body everything hass holes. There is no substance. It is all energy.  In the Assumption ,of Mary, she has proven this. She took her body with her. No physical body remained. Other great souls have also done this. And there are some whose bodies don’t decay after death for several weeks. It just shows we are not the dead body and we that death is  not the result of illness.

The Tao, of the Chinese, starts off as One, js like the Web. Then it divides into Two.

The Earth itself has meridians which are called variously Songlines, leylines, Michael lines, Mary lines Dreamtime lines. The points of them are sometimes called Sacred sites. You and your horse can turn your barn or farm into a sacred site.  You have  angels on your farm.

Tooth abscess and Sinus infection- Horse

Case Study on Horse with tooth abscess and Sinus infection by Anna Llambias

Manus is a 12 year old Connemara Gelding that had what the owner said started with a fungal infection in the upper respiratory tract about 12 months previously and didn’t clear up. She then consulted numerous Vets and had X-rays done which showed that he had an abscess around two molars in the upper left jaw. As the antibiotics did not clear up the infection or tooth abscess the owner was given the option by the vets to pull the teeth out and do invasive surgery into the nasal cavity to operate on the Sinus. She didn’t want to take this option as pulling the teeth would cause other problems for the horse in the future and the sinus operation would require a lengthy recovery period with no guarantee of success.

On speaking with the owner she informed me that Manus’s paddock mate had died shortly before the onset of this infection and he had been in a paddock on his own since. As grief is the emotion that causes abscesses in the body we put this down as the initial cause of the infection.

I started the Acupuncture treatment using the points BL17 and GB31 for the abscess and also used moxabustion. LI1 and Lu11 were used to clear fire and L15 was used for the face and to ease the chest. BL13 was used for the grief and SP21 to disperse any blockage in the lungs.
The owner reported that following the initial treatment Manus had a yellow mucous discharge from the nose. This was still present at the time of the second treatment. I suspected that this could have been the sinus infection trying to clear.

The second treatment was done within the same week and the same points were used.
The owner at this time also borrowed a paddock mate for Manus from her sister in law so he now has another horse with him and is no longer on his own. This will play a large part in Manus being able to heal.

Two more treatments were done the next week and the owner reported that the discharge from his nose had stopped.

Two more treatments were done on the third week and a yellow/green discharge from the nose had started again. Acupuncture points BL12, CV22, LI20 and Yintang for the nasal discharge and sinuses were added to the treatment.

On the fourth week the horse still had a nasal discharge with the owner reporting that he had a bad smell coming from his mouth that she had noticed when feeding him.
I used the same acupuncture points as last week.

Upon the second treatment of the fourth week the horse had a profuse and very smelly discharge from his left nostril only, which the owner said had been present for the last few days.
The smell was extremely offensive and lingering, unlike any previous discharge.
I treated the horse using the same points as the last treatment, using moxa on BL17 at each treatment.
I believe this was the tooth abscess erupting into the sinus cavity and starting to clear.

During the fifth week there was still some discharge from the nose but the offensive smell was no longer present. The owner at this time consulted with a Vet who put Manus on a course of antibiotics for a week.
The course of antibiotics was completed last week.

It is now the seventh week since Acupuncture treatment started and the owner reports that Manus is going well and was ridden for the first time this week after months of not being able to be ridden.

Treating scars with needles and moxa

Scars should be examined upon first treating the horse. Depending on the age and depth of a scar it may be causing a Qi blockage which can allow other weaknesses to form. Assess to see if scars are related to any current symptoms. The following methods help the immune system by stimulating self healing forces
Shallow needling (1mm or less) at end points of the scar will create a current and restore Qi flow. 

For old scars needling may be done along the course of and within the superficial area under the skin only. Has immediate results and should not be painful.
On occasion deeper needling may be used to restore blood flow and Qi to deeper areas.

If scarring is over a large area with thick tissue damage use moxa lightly by beginning at the boundary and working in a circular motion to the centre then work your way back out again. 20 minutes of this daily for 5-10 days should heal up any scarring.
*Do not use this method of any heat/inflammation is present.

Equine facial diagnosis

Case study(to help explain how this works) ; from Suzette.

Horse presented as below for Cysts( swelling in nose)

Suggested treatment; the Lungs are Full and causing the phlegm accumulation on nose.

You will see the chest area is very full and there is a line down the side which runs up close to the Lung Back Shu point.

  Cyst is in lungs area on facial diagnostic chart

What you need to do is clear the phlegm from the chest . So points.

Cv22 Cv17 Bl12, 13, Sp21  Lu11, Li5, will be main points.

After pics :

On the equine transpositional systems, numbering systems for horses.

Re; transpositional systems.

This is a very interesting question and one I have thought about for a long time.

It seems there are two kinds of transposition. The anatomic and the energetic.

First,  there is not an agreement on point naming. There are about 3-4 different systems just for horses. And over the years there have been at least 3 different  naming systems for humans too. Before Mao the points only had names which were according to their qualities not numbers. He realized the importance of acupuncture and brought all the practitioners together and they developed a numbering system probably in the 40”s.  So a numbering system would be Ki1, Ki2, k3 etc. before that they only had names such as Baihui. (meaning roughly ;100 meeting points)

This system then came to west in the early 70”s.  This is for humans.  Anatomic locations were given for the point locations but only worked as a guide to help find the points. The practitioner had to have the feel in the hands to get the exact position of the point. And then could feel the nature of the point.  This took me one year to get the feel in my hands. Before that it was a bit hit and miss. Without the feel the acupuncture is meaningless. Or at best a bit rough.

At this time some veterinarys in the west decided to try to apply to animals. Which is good. They had not experience with humans and the energetic nature of the points. So they used the anatomic correlations.  This formed the first transpositional systems.  Except there are some problems here too. They cant be too exact as  humans and horses are not anatomically similar in many ways. Humans and dogs are more anatomically similar.

And the energetic effects also vary. This can only be determined by feel.

So anatomically horse has 17 thoracic ribs and humans 12.  So where do the back shu points being 12 transpose to the 17 thoracic ribs  on the horse.  There is not an agreement anatomically.  But when it comes to energetics and functions it is quite clear but one needs to have experience with people and the qualities of the points of people( not book learning) to feel this energetically.  So for example Bl12 is for cough. In the system one is using is Bl12 useful for cough? If it is below the withers as in some anatomical systems it wont.   

But there is an agreement that Baihui meaning 100 hundred meeting points gets transposed from the top of the head (GV20) in humans to the top of the Hind end in the horse which are not anatomically similar but energetically similar.

Neck is much longer in a horse and has a lot more points so where do they transpose to?

As far as the ting points go the system I use is not completely  anatomically transpositionally correct. It is energetically correct and simpler. Yang is protection and the yang points are on the  outside where the protection is needed, not the front.  (esp of hind end where the least protection is needed at the front)But it does not seem to matter which system you use. Correctness is not a word for acupuncture. If there is a result, it works. As well the ting points are so very strong they have a broad range of effect. And if the practitioner has a feeling for it ,he or she will know if it is working and respond with other points to get the result. And it is this feeling that I hope to convey in the course. Then the names wont matter.  That is my challenge.

One also has to consider bipeds such as goats and cows. How do you do the anatomic transposition there? You will see there is an inside and outside more obviously , forming the yin and the yang.

But they do matter when it comes to communication among colleagues , to know that you are talking about the same points.  Usually , if you knew the chinese names, you could add those.  Or point to them on the charts. And in books you need to know they are talking about the same points.   After a while you get a sense for what point is being used and you will know which one they are talking about in your system even if you use a different  number.

Even in my human book I have to ‘interpret’ what point is meant. It uses both chinese name , and a numbering system.  But which numbering system? I sometimes have to look up the Chinese name to make sure .

In conclusion there is no need for a controversy. There is no correct. There is what works. And this is also very person to person oriented. What works for one person may not work for another.  But try to get on the same page with each other in communicating.

equine muscle release; how to use acupuncture and acupressure to release sore muscles and fascia.

The general approach is to locate the muscle in question that is sore. If more than one, then choose them one at a time, or most obvious one first.  Locate the two ends of the muscles, where the tendons join on to the bone or ligament. Needle, tui Na, or acupressure these. Then use a point in the middle of the muscle if needlng or all sore spots in muscle if using Tui Na or acupressure.

Next, and most importantly, work out which channel (meridian) is involved ie which channel or channels runs through the muscle. Then use the ting point (end point) of the channel on the coronet band. Perhaps this point should be done first. This point begins to drain the tension out of the muscles along the path of where the channel flows. This is the power of the ting points.

Remember you are working with energies and not flesh. A video will come later.

How to get your horse’s hoofs to grow evenly.

Note these points are not underneath the hoof but on the top surface;

The horse has acupuncture channels which run down the leg. These all end near the coronet band on areas called ting points. If the energy in a channel is weak or blocked it does not allow the chi and blood to move fully down into the hoof.  And then that section of the hoof does not get fully nourished with blood and so does not grow so well. This gives rise to hoof imbalances.

For example; sometimes the toe on the back grows too long.(this gives rise to forging or overreach.) Actually it is the heel that grows to short. If you stimulate the ting points on the back of the heel by one off acupuncture or regular acupressure or laser the hoof will grow regularly back and front. 

Anohter good tip is to look for hoof cracks. These definaitely start happening when the chi in the channel is weak and not strong enough to push the blood into the hoof for growth in that area,

How to stop your horse going lame using acupressure

 from Amanda; My friend was told by her ex military riding instructor to rub right around the coronet bands of her horse in small circles before she rode and after and her horse will never go lame. In fact she was rubbing ting points and her horse never did go lame . 

comment; these ( the ting points) are the acupuncture points around the coronet band; They are very useful.
Lavender oil may be used on them to improve hoof growth.

Conception, equine breeding programs, equine acupuncture points to use.

Conception, equine breeding programs, equine acupuncture

At the moment of conception there are two forces coming together. There is the physical and the  spirit.

The physical creation occurs with the union of the male and female parts from the mother and father.  The quality of the mother is important and the quality of the fathers contribution is also important at this stage.  At his point the Jing is formed. Also the health or otherwise of them at this point and their degree of ‘complementation” is important.

The aim is to limit inherited weak characteristics from being passed on, though these may be useful.

The spirit  has chosen which parents will suit its purpose of incarnating on the earth and begins the process of transforming what is there into what it needs. This is done by imprinting.

The role of imprinting.
Another force  that comes into play at the conception is external surroundings. All happenings and impressions at that time are imprinted.  Consciously or unconsciously. If they are unconscious then they will need to be transformed at some later stage for the spirit to take over the body fully.

for example; If parents are drunk at conception there is unconsciousness. If parents really want the child and plan for it then there is consciousness. 

The symbol for the pure conception for the horse is the unicorn horn. In the wild this can occur more often. Sometimes on a horse you can see reminders of this in the forehead area.

The symbol in the western Christianity was the immaculate conception of Jesus. Noone is saying that it really happened but it is a symbol for the ideal.

Imo  AI is  a very cold process so a chill at this time will be occurring. Warmth will be needed at later stages to shift this. eg moxa at GV4.

Inherited tendencies can be limited by using Ki9 regularly after the 18th week. I suggest moxa here .

help can be given to the embryo and mare in the phases mentioned here in this order.

Each month corresponds to a channel, in the following order: Liver, GB, PC, Triple Burner, SP, ST, LU, LI, KD, UB, SI, HT." When the month is nourished by that channel, you don't needle it. i.e. in the first month, the fetus is nourished by the Liver, so it is not to be needled, and so on. But can be augmented say with herbs or foods.

How to treat swollen crest on horse with cupping.

These are vacuum cups. plastic. 30 mm 04 40 mm only work. No magnets in them. cost $11 each here in Australia.

Acupuncture for hole on horse shoulder

from Ron Roman.
One photo is of shoulder hollows before treatment.with the 3 corner hollow after 1 treatment.

 One photo is of the shoulder after 1 treatment.
The 3 corner hollow has filled to about 1 quarter of the original size, the other hollows were filling while I watched. Thanks Allan for the info to get this result.

Treating dying horses with acupuncture.

This is a beautiful and touching equine acupuncture story.

from Lidwine Timmermans in Netherlands: a horsie story.

Some other experience this last weekend. Quite emotional and something I never had before. But I just want to share.My friends horse got very sudden laminitis. She had it ones before, but not very bad and she is always very carefull with food and the grass in the field.. Friday I went to see her horse. She also did let the vet come to make

pictures. The front hoofs where already tilted. And when I saw her and touched her body she felt like she was already drying up. When I did put in some needles (LI 1, 5, 9 11 points) the needles where almost pushed out immediately. Amazing. I was shure I did put them in well. But I got also very nauseous and got the feeling she was poisoning herself (liver, kidneys). But she felt afraid. Afraid of dying.

My friend decided with the vet to put her down. But because of the company that is taking the body away was not able to do it before Tuesday, she decided to put her down on Monday and the vet did give her painkillers for the weekend. I wanted to help her get less afraid as well and help her with the pain. So I needled her on the points you gave earlier to help them to let go of life. That night she came to me in my sleep to let me know she was ready. So the next day I went back again early. My friend had the same experience. And as we talked about calling the vet to put her down earlier, the horse decided to lay down and the process already started. The vet came to help as well. Although it was very sad I was glad I could help the horse to let go of life. And the moment she passed away was very special. It was like my horse was there and he helped her to let go as well. I felt a pain in my diaphragm, I heard her saying "I am home" and she passed away.

Treatment of wound on horse with acupuncture and moxibustion

Click on photo to see large view;

Wounds on horse have spectacular results using traditional chinese medicine techniques.

Case example from Ben Walder; I am treating a two year old Quarter horse that put his back leg through a fence. This the photo before treatment.

This is the photo one day later after a wound treatment that I did.
one day later; He is looking better and eating a lot.
One day later;
3 days later;

Next day.

Totals days to this point. 7 only 5 treatments given.

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Treatment of abscess in horse with equine acupuncture

These points may be needled or moxaed. The result is very quick. 1-2 treatments will be needed.

Q:  What is the reason for this to work? These points are a long way from an abscess.

A: primarily abscess is caused by grief. When the tears cannot be released via the normal method they accumulate, then the toxin of the grief enters the blood and then travels down the leg trying to find a way out. Soon it is very painful. It may break out by itself externally or need help.

The points above clear the toxin from the Blood and so disperse the abscess internally.

Example; An owner came to me and said horse was lame. I suspected an abscess not yet ripened. i did these points. In morning she said,' I dont know if was the treatment or the Foot bath i gave it but horse is not lame now.'

Another example from a beginning student;

6 year old mare with a history of foot abscesses showed up dead lame. very tender a back of heel on forelimb. Diagnosis of foot abscess was made. 

Horse was needled in this order: Stress points near withers, Gb21, LI12, Li10, eyes of knee, eyes on fetlock, all 6 ting points, tender points near abscess which was very sore just to touch. I may have suggested BL17 with moxa also

She had time off over the week of repair was extremely lame on 1st day then by 3rd treatment was sound on day 7, then few days jog: fast work on day 5 after abscess had dried up and left very little scar at coronet .

This is a fantastic result as normally it would be much longer.

Note that; this would not be possible using a Dry Needling Method.

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15.14 Top 60 points for equine acupuncture

Top 60
most important  points. (not in order of importance).
You must know these reasonably well;

Liv 1,4,13,14
Yintang, tip of tail. Taiyang
Withers stress points.
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Acupuncture treatment of sandcrack in horse

Before pictures of sandcrack
After pictures of sandcrack


from Ken Glaser ;attached are two before pictures of an old coronary band injury..  In the second picture look for scar that travels through the coronary band and back to the heel bulb.  We took in this mare a little over two years ago as a twelve year old.  The injury itself occurred sometime between foaling and the age of six when Oakey must have stepped on something very sharp cutting through the hoof and into the coronary band and heel bulb.  It was at six that the family we got Oakey from took possession.  The previous owner told us that they managed the split through regular trimming, yet I believe the injury caused regular pain.  Winter proved to be the time of year that exacerbated the problem.  The second winter with us her hoof split so bad there was bleeding and no surprise Oakey literally walked on three legs.  This is when I started to look for a solution other than therapeutic shoeing.  This is when I found your site and the use of Mugwort in a Moxa Roll.  We started therapy just as you recommended and continued for more than the prescribed two weeks.  Sure enough we started to see some improvement.  We tried a boot to give Oakey some relief in the meantime with no success.  So we had our farrier apply shoes to the back feet which allowed the hoof to continue to mend.  Then this spring to my amazement I was examining the old scar, and when rubbed with my thumb the scar tissue sloughed off.  Almost ten months later the crack is almost completely grown out and there is beautiful new soft tissue where the scar use to be.  Oakey has never been more sound and seemingly happy.  She was probably always in pain.  In conjunction with the Moxa Roll treatment we used a product called Toe Grow.  Thank you for the great recommendation!

Photos of the ting points around the coronet band needled. This is good for farriers to know which channels may be involved when doing their shoeing.

Click on a photo to see life size closeup.
Ht9 below

SI1 below

Bl67 below

Ki1 below

P9 below. Looks too close to LU11 but it is just the photo.

Th1 below

GB44 below

Liv1 below

Lu11 below

LI1 on outside. (left) This is Off-Fore.

St45 below

Sp1 below